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[Kermit]

TORN - Christopher Lee willing to return as Saruman?

Jag är glad att de erkände hans långa ståtliga kariär och inte gjorde som med John Rhys-Davies och fick det att se ut som om det var hans genombrott.

Eh? Vad menar du där?

Saruman med i Bilbo...det låter som att de kommer att hitta på ganska mycket själva. Snart är det så att man funderar på varför de ens behåller titeln.

[Fiskrens]

Saruman med i Bilbo...det låter som att de kommer att hitta på ganska mycket själva. Snart är det så att man funderar på varför de ens behåller titeln.

Kan ju lika gärna handla om film två, där han kan vara mycket mer tongivande - med all rätt. Nämns ju tom. i böckerna tror jag att Saruman motverkar attack mot Dol Guldur in i det sista. Samma med Aragorn (även om jag kan misstänka att de vill flika in honom i Bilbo också).

[Crusader]

Aragon var väl bara 9 år under Bilbo-händelserna om jag inte minns fel?

[Kermit]

Aragorn är (om jag inte minns fel) drygt 200 år i Ringen-böckerna, av en anledning jag inte riktigt minns.

[Fiskrens]

Fast (som jag tidigare sagt tror jag) de tog ju bort ungefär 30 år i början av Sagan om Ringen-filmerna, så jag tror inte de har några problem med att ändra tidslinjen i Bilbo heller för att kunna stoppa in Aragorn i Bilbo. Däremot kan det bli svårt att få till att Bilbo lär känna honom, för då skulle han ju vara känd av Frodo i början av SoR. Men det är nog bara att vänta och se av PJ hittar på.

[Crusader]

Aragorn är (om jag inte minns fel) drygt 200 år i Ringen-böckerna, av en anledning jag inte riktigt minns.

Det är för att han är halv-Alv. I andra filmen säger han iallafall att han är 80 år. Han föddes 2931 och böckerna utspelar sig 3018-21 medans Bilbo utspelar sig 2941.
Du tänker nog på hur gammal nhan blev för han dör när han är 210 år gammal.

[XC]

PJ rubbade väl tidslinjen dessutom i filmerna? (Har för mig att detta diskuterats tidigare i tråden).

[Fiskrens]

Aragorn är (om jag inte minns fel) drygt 200 år i Ringen-böckerna, av en anledning jag inte riktigt minns.

Det är för att han är halv-Alv.

Näppeligen! Han är Dúnedain, dvs. "ädlare" människa. Elrond är halv-alv, och odödlig.

/Tolkien-nörd

[Kermit]

Så var det ja! Tack för klargörandet.

[Cartman]

Mera trubbel i paradiset

TORN - Tolkien Estate Sues New Line

New Line Cinema is being sued once again over royalties relating to The Lord of the Rings trilogy. This suit also has the possibility of derailing any Hobbit movies currently in the works. [Läs Mer]

Tolkien Estate Lawyer Posted:
Bonnie Eskenazi, the trustees' US counsel who filed the complaint, said: "New Line has brought new meaning to the phrase 'creative accounting'. I cannot imagine how on earth New Line will argue to a jury that these films could gross literally billions of dollars, and yet the creator's heirs, who are entitled to a share of gross receipts, don't get a penny."

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TORN - End of the Line for New Line?

From IMDB: Time Warner executives are considering folding New Line into its Warner Bros. division or keeping the brand as a separate production unit with Warner Bros. handling its distribution, the Wall Street Journal reported today (Monday), citing people familiar with the situation. The newspaper said that in either scenario, New Line would be reduced to producing low-budget films as it once did instead of blockbusters like its recent Lord of the Rings trilogy. The Journal did not indicate what would become of The Hobbit, the Lord of the Rings prequel, which New Line is scheduled to produce this year.

[Fiskrens]

Verkar mer och mer som om New Line försökt blåsa allt och alla på pengar i efterhand. Ska man gissa att de när de skrev avtalen aldrig trodde att filmerna skulle dra in så brutalt mycket? "Ojdå, blev de sååå mycket vi skulle betala - det vill vi inte!"

[XC]

Läste också det där. Går på fiskrens-linje och börjar misstänka att NL försökt behållt så mycket som möjligt av kakan efter succen och att PJ inte stämde NL av pur girighet.

[Cartman]

Fortfarande inget officiellt uttalande men det finn tydligen en del att förhanda om.

Jag vill fortfarande veta varför Sam Raimi inte längre verkar vara med i diskussionen om att regissera filmen. Drog han sig frivilligt ur eller blev han inte ens tillfrågad trots allt förhandsprat om det?

ComingSoon - Guillermo del Toro on The Hobbit Films

Source: Empire Online on February 14, 2008

Empire caught up today with Guillermo del Toro, who told the magazine that he is still not fully signed for The Hobbit and its sequel.

"I wish it was definite, but it isn't," he said. "It's still in talks, there are still a lot of 'T's to cross and 'I's to dot. It's certainly not certain yet…But, as far as I'm concerned, [if it was definite] I would be packed in ten seconds."

He's not worried at this time about the lawsuit that was revealed earlier this week, but he did say he would love to bring back actors from "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy whose characters appear in the new films.

"Yeah, absolutely. I've been pretty much incredibly open about the things that I love and don't love in the past. I've turned down huge franchises in the past because there are parts of that world I don't gel with. The reason I took 'Blade II' is because I love the characters that Stephen Norrington created and the actors he used. That times ten is the reason why I'm interested in 'The Hobbit.'"

Edited by Cartman, 15 February 2008 - 16:05.

[Fiskrens]

Guillermo del Toro reaches out to TORn

...“All I can say is that I am diligently going through all Tolkien material related to Middle-earth but only as a way of bridging a gap in my reading. I still respond the strongest to “The Hobbit,” but as an avid reader of Mythology I find a lot of his other writings fascinating. A perfect Cosmology forged from very eclectic sources,” he said...

Ingenting klart, men han läser ju i alla fall in sig vilket jag ser som ett plus.

[Cartman]

Jo, jag såg det där. Måste säga att jag är lite förvånad att inget är klart än, hoppas man någon gång i framtiden får reda på varför det tog tid att kontraktera regissören (oavsett vem det blir) samt vad som egentligen gjorde att Sam Raimi helt plötsligt var ute ur bilden (om han nu inte blir regissör trots allt).

Jag har även fått intrycket att del Toro var en liten tolkienist men tydligen behövde han friska upp minnet en aning.

Edited by Cartman, 19 March 2008 - 15:48.

[Cartman]

TORN - Howard Shore Confirms his involvement with The Hobbit

TORN - Guillermo Del Toro Talks The Hobbit…Again

[XC]

Nu. Är. Det. Klart!

Guillermo del Toro Will Direct the Hobbit and its Sequel | BeyondHollywood.com

The trades reported that Guillermo del Toro was in talks with New Line Cinema to replace Peter Jackson on the live-action “The Hobbit” movies (yes, two movies, to be shot back-to-back) in January, but we haven’t heard anything concrete since. For a while there, it didn’t seem like it would happen, mostly because, from interviews he’s done, del Toro didn’t seem to think it would happen. But now it’s official, and fanboys everywhere can rejoice: New Line Cinema has just announced that Guillermo del Toro, currently making the rounds to promote his “Hellboy 2? at fanboy conventions everywhere, WILL, in fact, direct not only “The Hobbit”, but also its sequel. The AP has the good news:

New Line Cinema announced Thursday that the 43-year-old filmmaker, who wrote and directed “Pan’s Labyrinth,” will move to New Zealand for four years to work with executive producer Peter Jackson and his production teams.
Del Toro will direct the two films back-to-back. The first tells the story of how Bilbo Baggins came to possess the Ring of Doom, while the second will center on the time between it and “The Fellowship of the Ring.”

So what does this mean? Two things: the “Hobbit” movies will take four years to make, and will be released back-to-back ala the “Lord of the Rings” films, and “Hellboy 3? is gonna be a long time coming, if it comes at all.

But hey, the big news is that Guillermo del Toro is directing “The Hobbit”. If it wasn’t Peter Jackson, or Sam Raimi, wasn’t del Toro the guy we all wanted? Who says movie studios don’t listen to the fans?

Just för närvarande är jag nöjd över att det börjar röra på sig igen.


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Fler som rapporterar nyheten:
CanMag.com, Cinematical, ComingSoon.net, EW.com, Filmonic, FirstShowing.net, IFMagazine, Moviehole.net, Sci-fi Wire, /Film, Slice of Scifi, Variety

Edited by XC, 25 April 2008 - 08:36.

[Crusader]

Samma här. Även då jag inte ville ha Guillermo del Toro så är jag bara glad att det äntligen rör på sig lite iallafall.

[XC]

Jag är positivt inställd till Del Toro, jag hade fördragit PJ (och han kommer ju vara involverad i projektet) men jag tror Del Toro funkar.

[Wylie Times]

del Toro är nog "the next best thing". Att han kan göra snygga och bra fantasyfilmer råder det ju inget snack om. Men är det klart att Ian McKellen spelar Gandalf igen?

Sen undrar jag varför dom gör två filmer? The Hobbit är ju kortare än Fellowship och de andra böckerna.

The first tells the story of how Bilbo Baggins came to possess the Ring of Doom, while the second will center on the time between it and “The Fellowship of the Ring.”

Så den andra filmen kommer inte baseras på någon bok eller? Vad jag vet finns det ingen bok som tar upp tiden mellan Hobbit och Fellowship

Edited by Wylie Times, 25 April 2008 - 14:16.

[XC]

Jag har inte lyckats ta mig igenom alla böckerna, men så vitt jag vet så finns ingen bok som utspelar sig mellan hobbiten och LotR.

[Fiskrens]

Stämmer. Finns en hel del småbitar i Appendix och delar av saker de hoppade över i början av SoR de nog kan skrapa ihop en film av.

[Darth Sidious]

Cartman postade lite intressanta spekulationer vad det kan betyda med två filmer lite tidigare i tråden.

TORN spekulerar lite i vad två filmer av The Hobbit kan betyda.

When the staff here at TheOneRing.net first heard the rumors that the Hobbit film deal would most likely be for two movies, it fueled a lot of speculation. Most of the speculation centers on the idea that the second movie will be a bridge between The Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring.

Events that could be included in such a bridge movie:

The White Council meets to discuss The Necromancer (aka Sauron)

The White Council (including Saruman and Gandalf) attack The Necromancer’s stronghold at Dol Guldur. This is to prevent Sauron from searching the river for the Ring. Sauron abandons Dol Guldur and takes up residence in Mordor.

Gollum leaves the mountain, searching for the “thief” Baggins.

Sauron declared himself openly, starting to gather power to Mordor.

Aragorn searches the wilds for Gollum.

Aragorn’s engagement to Arwen.

Frodo’s birth.

These are but a few things mentioned in Appendix B of Return of the King. These can be added to and expanded to make the story flow.

[Wylie Times]

Hm.. ja om dom expanderar handlingen från Bilbo till övriga världen så finns det ju en del som händer men blir det inte lite spretigt då?

Edited by Wylie Times, 25 April 2008 - 15:25.

[Darth Sidious]

Det finns gott om händelser för att göra två filmer. Sedan ska man ju tänka på att vi inte vet någonting om speltiden på filmerna. Tänker man PJ förlängda versioner av filmerna på mellan 3 till 4 timmar så låter det lite mycket att göra två filmer av The Hobbit. Men filmerna kan ju lika gärna landa på mellan 1.30-1.40 vardera.

Det var länge sedan mitt intresse för Tolkien och hans böcker blommade för mig men av det jag kommer ihåg så finns det gott om händelser att ta med i dessa två filmer. Se även mitt inlägg innan ditt.

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del Toro är nog "the next best thing". Att han kan göra snygga och bra fantasyfilmer råder det ju inget snack om. Men är det klart att Ian McKellen spelar Gandalf igen?

Ian McKellen Confirmed to Reprise Role as Gandalf?

Astute TORn message board member Gethsemane has noticed something particularly exciting on Ian McKellen’s official website. Looking through the Cinema section on the ‘2000’s’ film listing page, he noticed:

2010 - THE HOBBIT
Director: Guillermo del Toro
Role: Gandalf

This is unlikely a typo, as Sir Ian McKellen is known for his very active and up-to-date website. Now we just have to wait for the official announcement!

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Via länken som Cartman hade i sin tidigare post som jag citerade/hänvisade till hittar man mer information som kan vara läsvärd.

Guillermo del Toro Chats with TORN About ‘The Hobbit’ Films!

I had the opportunity to chat with Guillermo del Toro this morning from his current HQ in London. He’s hard at work putting the finishing touches on ‘Hellboy II: The Golden Army’ and taking interviews from news outlets about that film, and the recent announcement that he’ll be doing ‘The Hobbit’ and a subsequent Hobbit sequel down the line.

[b]First things first, YES, that is him on our message boards, he told me he intends to post there as often as he humanly can. And yes, he is as cool and approachable as he sounds. Take a look at my interview!/b]

How did this whole process get started?

GDT: I met Peter (Jackson) a long time ago when we were planning on doing ‘Halo’ together, I really love how they have that setup in New Zealand, I call it ‘Hollywood the way God intended it’. New Zealand has all the technical advantages when doing a big movie and you are shooting it in paradise, both in terms of artistic freedom and commitment.

When ‘Halo’ didn’t happen, Peter and I stayed in contact on a regular basis, and last winter I started getting inklings that ‘The Hobbit’ may come this way, mainly from the studio. The first thing I said was that I would only be interested if Peter was involved and the (New Line Lawsuit) problem gets resolved. When that issue was resolved I got a call from Peter and we chatted, and it started from then, it was my Christmas gift!

Fans are all abuzz about ‘The Second Film’, can you tell some of your plans for it?

GDT: You know, I traveled to New Zealand just a little while ago, and one of the main reasons for going was to sit down and talk about the second film. ‘The Hobbit’, the book, is really one self-contained film, so for the second movie we sat down and worked it out. When we did this we got really excited because this second film is not a ‘tag on’, it’s not ‘filler’, it’s an integral part of telling the story of those 50 years of history lost in the narrative. There will be certain things that we will see from the first movie but from a different point of view, but it will feel like a volume, in the 5 volumes of the entire story. It will not feel like a bridge, I’ve been hearing it called ‘a bridge film’, it’s not, it’s an integral chapter of the story, and I think we’re all on the same page.

You will be moving down to New Zealand for 4 years, is that right?

GDT: Approximately, my whole family, but the first stages of design and R&D will be done with me going back and fourth from LA and New Zealand because there are a lot of things I need to put to bed before I finally move to New Zealand. I’m going much sooner than my relatives would like!

We will officially be doing a lot of prep on ‘The Hobbit’ this summer, there is so much to do, its amazing. Just the reforestation of The Shire, re planting all those trees and plants will take months, and we’re going to be as exact as possible.

Films like ‘Pan’s Labyrinth’ used a few studio sets to simulate outdoors, will you be doing the same for ‘The Hobbit’ or will you be making use of New Zealand’s wilderness like Peter did?

GDT: I think green screen photography is exactly like CGI, it is a tool, I don’t think it should be overused. Things like ‘Pan’s Labyrinth’ and ‘The Devil’s Backbone’ are incredibly dependent on location, we shot on location for more than half the time. Those locations can be enhanced by technology however, both digital and physical. What I would like to avoid is the recreation of the natural environments in CG, I don’t like doing that. The movie is essentially a journey movie, I think you need to use locations as much as possible.

You’ll be using WETA Digital for the effects?

GDT: Yes, the essential elements for keeping continuity are on track, in the last few weeks I’ve been chatting with a ton of people via email, phone, and in person from the previous films. People like Andy Serkis, Sir Ian McKellen, Howard Shore, John Howe, Gino Acevedo, Richard Taylor next week I’m meeting Alan Lee. I’m doing this to ensure that whatever we do we keep continuity with the other films, yes it’s a world that is slightly more golden at the beginning, a very innocent environment.

What I’m trying to do is keep the elements in place but allow you to feel a progression from ‘The Hobbit’ until ‘The Return of the King’. I believe ‘The Hobbit’ is a very crucial volume in The Lord of the Rings, it is a narrative that starts out very much in an innocent and golden way. It is permeated from England going through World War One, so there is a loss of innocence and a darker tone as the book and the film progresses. We’ll be doing that in the first film, taking you from a time of more purity to a darker reality throughout the film, but I think that is in the spirit of the book. All these guys, Alan Lee, John Howe, these guys are integral for us to map out that progress in the two movies, and allow you to completely blend in to the universe that is already in place. But this will be a progression, it should not feel at the start of the film that this is the same time (as the beginning of ‘Fellowship’). 50 years in Shire time, is not the same as 50 years in human time, if you think about how our world has changed in only 7 or 8 years, you can think of it as decades of turmoil, those 50 years in Middle-earth.

Do you have any roles cast?

GDT: Well, I had the most charming meeting with Sir Ian, and all bureaucracy pending, he’s on board, as is Andy Serkis. We will continue giving you progress reports as the occur. It is our intention that we will not lose any of the key elements.

What will differ from your films versus Peter’s?

The only thing I will be pushing for more in these films that the other three are full animatronics and animatronic creatures enhanced with CGI, as opposed to CGI creatures themselves. We really want to take the state-of-the-art animatronics and take a leap ten years into the future with the technology we will develop for the creatures in the movie. We have every intention to do for animatronics and special effects what the other films did for virtual reality.

Another thing people will notice, at the beginning of the film will be the pallet, that will be slightly different, the world will be the same but it will be a more ‘golden’ world, a more wide-eyed world. But by no means will we depart from the canon, we will take the three previous films as canon. When I become part of a world that I love, such as this, I really come with a lot of enthusiasm and hard work, and we know we are recreating and creating a world that is part of the mythos of millions of people and we will approach it as passionately and respectfully as it needs to be taken.