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[Mjolnir]

Ja, det framgick redan i din tidigare post och som sagt så passar "Det mörka hotet" lika bra för det ändamålet.

[Groundsplitter]

Jo, Svenskarna översätter lite som de vill. Som "The Phantom Menace" blev "Det Mörka Hotet" vilket totalt missuppfattar orginaltitlen. En morrekt översättning hade varit "Det Dålda Hotet". Samma med "Brother Bear" so blev "Björn Bröder" men skulle ha varit "Björn Broder".

På vilket sätt är "Björnbröder" en felaktig titel? Om en björn är bror/broder till en annan, så är de båda bröder, eller hur?
Översättning handlar inte om att göra en rak översättning ord för ord, utan om att hitta en passande/fungerande motsvarighet, med avseende på vad målspråket har för syntax, värdeladdningar, rytmik och språkbruk, etc. "Björnbroder" hade varit helt fel. Vi uttrycker oss inte på det sättet i svenskan, förutom möjligen i väldigt speciella situationer.
Personligen kunde jag ha övervägt någonting i stil med "Min bror björnen", som en analog till Astrid Lindgrens "Min fader konungen" (Mio min Mio), men "Björnbröder" fungerar alldeles utmärkt, tycker jag.

Vad gäller Phantom Menace så vete fåglarna hur man kunde fått till en riktigt bra översättning. Av två sämre översättningar är "Det mörka hotet" minst dålig. Min bedömning är att "dold" används betydligt mer sällan, särskilt i bestämd form - man hör det oftare som "en/ett" dolt någonting, inte som "den/det" dolda tinget.
Skulle man sökt en korrekt översättning, som fångar det vilseledande i "phantom", hade man kanske kunnat titta på "skenbar" eller "schimär" <sp?>. "Det schimära hotet" hade fångat innehållet i den amerikanska titeln perfekt, men hur många hade förstått den titeln?

Tillägg: Eller, kanske inte perfekt, men ganska nära i alla fall. "Phantom" är ett ganska speciellt ord, eftersom det i det här sammanhanget lyckas med konststycket att tala om att man jagar hjärnspöken; att det finns både ett skenbart och ett verkligt hot. Det är någonting som är fullständigt omöjligt att fånga i en svensk titel, med mindre än att den blir mycket längre och otympligare. Schimär kommer någorlunda nära, eftersom det i alla fall talar om att saker inte är som de verkar.

Edited by Groundsplitter, 17 September 2007 - 07:26.

[Crusader]

I det här fallet så är "Brother Bear" en koppling till Indianernas mytologi där de anser att Björnen är en broder till deras folk. Därför blir det fel när "Brother Bear" blir "Björnbröder" för det hela blir en missuppfattning av orginal titlen IMO. Annars hade det hetat "Bearbrothers". Som sagt, det hela spelar på Indiansk mytologi med "Brother Bear" "Brother Eagle" "Brother Wolf" osv. Alltså "Broder Björn", "Broder Örn", "Broder Varg" osv. Så "Björn Broder"/"Broder Björn" blir korrekt medans "Björnbröder" anspelar på att båda parterna är björnar, vilket de visseligen är i filmen, men missar att det gäller kopplingen mellan ett folk och ett djur. Jag t ex brukar säga att min hund är min bror men det betyder inte att jag säger att vi är "Hundbröder".
Men visst, vi använder inte "broder" så mycket i Sverige men när det kommer till den Indianska mytologin så brukar det översättas till "broder" istället för t ex "bror".
Samma som t ex att vi använder inte "fader" i vårt samhälle utan säger "pappa", "farsan" eller "far" men det betyder inte att vi säger "Gud, vår pappa/farsa/far". Ibland så passar de gammla bäst, speciellt i mytologi där det handlar om mer än blod.

Edited by Crusader, 17 September 2007 - 19:25.

[HD89]

Okay People

Liiiiite OT kanske?

[Cartman]

AICN har postat information om att vi kanske får se den första teaser trailern till Indiana Jones 4 - The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull tillsammans med filmen Beowulf som har premiär i November.

Man kan ju alltid hoppas och att det även blir en bra teaser.

Artikeln hos AICN

[XC]

Tydligen har man haft en liten läcka...

Some Juicy INDIANA JONES News Breaks In The Unlikeliest Place...

Artikeln som AICN länkar till fungerar inte längre, me aicn var smarta nog och anteckna. Så den spoilerhungrige använder länken ovan.

[Cartman]

Härligt scoop.

En del av informationen som läckte låter intressant.

[Cartman]

John Williams To Start Work On Indy 4 In October

[Cartman]

Indiana Jones is Back -- and Del Rey's Got Him

Del Rey Books, an imprint of Ballantine Books at the Random House Publishing Group, has announced that it will publish tie-in books based on the long-awaited, eagerly anticipated new movie, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which will premiere throughout the world on May 22, 2008.

Mer att läsa via länken. Kan bli bra, låter iaf intressant.

Edited by Cartman, 28 September 2007 - 12:32.

[Kermit]

Ooooh, värt att kolla upp!!

[Cartman]

Två nyheter idag.

KNBC - Actor, Lucasfilm Settle Over Indiana Jones Sequel Leak

A 24-year-old actor who reportedly violated his confidentiality agreement by giving away the plot for the next "Indiana Jones" movie reached a court-approved settlement Tuesday with the filmmakers, according to the film's producer.

A court entered an order that Oklahoma native Tyler Nelson "knowingly violated the confidentiality agreement he signed as a condition of his employment when he gave an interview to a newspaper," according to Lucasfilm Ltd., which is producing "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull."

The order was entered Tuesday in Los Angeles Superior Court in Santa Monica, said Lynne Hale, publicist for Lucasfilm Ltd.

The film -- the fourth installment of the popular "Indiana Jones" series -- is being directed by Steven Spielberg. George Lucas is one of its executive producers. It is scheduled to be released in May.

The specific terms of the settlement are confidential, according to Lucasfilm Ltd.

Representatives from Thomas Talent Agency, which represents Nelson, were not immediately available for comment.

Last month, Nelson -- a ballet dancer who was trained at Moscow's Bolshoi Academy -- gave an interview with Oklahoma's Edmond Sun newspaper, detailing the film's plot, the New York Post reported. Nelson was cast in one scene as a "dancing Russian soldier," according to The Post.

By doing so, Nelson violated the terms of an agreement he signed requiring that he not discuss the film, representatives for Lucasfilm Ltd. said.

The interview has since been removed from the Edmond Sun's Web site.

"We ask every cast and crew member to sign a confidentiality agreement because we want to protect the movie's thrills and surprises for audiences," said Lynn Bartsch, director of business affairs for Lucasfilm Ltd. "Consequently, we think it's very important to make sure people hold to those agreements."

When asked if Nelson's scenes were to be cut from the film, Marvin Levy, a spokesman for Spielberg replied: "I have no knowledge of that."

When later asked if Nelson's reported actions would harm his acting career, Levy laughed and said, "That's for other people to figure out."

Och

IESB - Grand Theft Indy

Tuesday, 02 October 2007

Steven Spielberg has another reason to be pissed off. Over 2000 production stills, production budget breakdown and other sensitive materials from Indiana Jones 4 were stolen from his office.

This is a story that we are going to be hearing much more of in the upcoming days but here is the skinny.

Over 2000 production stills, plenty of sensitive paperwork including a complete production budget breakdown, possibly the script from Indiana Jones 4 and multiple computers were stolen from Spielberg's Universal Studio office.

The thief started contacting multiple entertainment websites including TMZ.com and offering the stolen goods for a sum of $2000.00.

The IESB has been informed that TMZ.com may had obtained some of stolen property and were on the verge of running the story on its TV division until Paramount lawyers stepped in.

TMZ.com went as far as promoting their upcoming story but we have been informed that they have scrapped their original plans.

The good news for Steven Spielberg, George Lucas and the fine folks over at Paramount, the alleged thief was apprehended today, October 2nd, at the Standard Hotel in Los Angeles, CA. around 4:00pm PST.

We have been told that the thief was apprehended by LAPD and the FBI with the help of a member of the online press that had been offered the stolen property. Sources tell us that an undercover sting operation was set in motion late last night with the help of the unnamed member of the online press.

A meeting between the alleged thief and the unnamed online reporter was set up for 4:00pm at the Standard Hotel on Sunset Blvd. The sting went as planned and the arrest was made. The IESB has been told that the alleged thief was in possession of the stolen property.

We are waiting for Paramount Studios to issue an official comment at this time.

Charges to be filed against the individual are unknown at this time.

Stay tuned as this story develops.

UPDATE: Correction, it was the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department in conjunction with the FBI and not LAPD as previously reported that took part in the sting operation.

FURTHER UPDATE: David Poland of Movie City News has an interesting take on the whole debacle. Click here to read.

Edited by Cartman, 04 October 2007 - 13:17.

[Cartman]

Intressanta nyheter idag.

MTV - George Lucas Promises "Crystal Skull" Will Be As Good As First Indiana Jones Flick

Director says the mythology of the new flick is "up there with the Ark of the Covenant"

LOS ANGELES — Ever since Shia LaBeouf announced the title of the next "Indiana Jones" adventure at the MTV Video Music Awards, everyone from ordinary movie fans to Harvard archeologists have obsessed themselves with the meaning behind crystal skulls, the legendary artifacts Indy will search for in his fourth big-screen journey.

But that's nothing compared to how long George Lucas himself has been obsessed with these antique crystals, the legendary director recently admitted to MTV News.

"We did "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" [TV show in 1992], and in the process of that, one of the scripts we were working on was about a crystal skull. I became fascinated with it there," Lucas revealed Wednesday on the red carpet for the American Film Institute's 40th anniversary at the ArcLight. "We've been through lots of different versions [of 'Indy 4'] the last 14 years, with five different writers. [But with crystal skulls] there's just a lot of aspects that seem to fit into our kind of a movie."

While Indy's Holy Grail "Crusade" gave him a taste of immortality, and his "Temple" quest for Sankara Stones brought him a glimpse of "fortune and glory," those relics are stuffy museum pieces compared to the power of the crystal skulls, Lucas asserted.

"I think this is actually better, it's up there with the Ark of the Covenant," he declared of the fourth film's "McGuffin" (a term coined by Alfred Hitchcock to describe an object which drives a film's plot). "Sankara Stones and the Holy Grail were a little tough, but I think this time we've really got a great one.

"The skulls themselves are real and a lot of the stuff in the movie is real, just like in the other movies," Lucas continued. "We don't base it on a lot of phony-baloney stuff. It's all based on at least true mythology that exists today that ... a certain amount of the population actually believes in."

Lucas emphasized that "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is shaping up to be the best Indy flick since the first one, even going so far as to call "Skulls" tonally most like "Raiders." But whereas the Ark of the Covenant has very few historically ascribed powers, true believers attribute all sorts of abilities to the crystal skulls, ranging from the skulls being psychic amplifiers to tools of death to repositories of ancient knowledge (something like an Atlantian supercomputer).

So which theory will be in the film?

"There's several different kinds of skulls, several different kinds of theories, several myths that are surrounding them," Lucas said, clearly delighted by his secret knowledge. "So, you just have to put all the pieces together, look it up and figure out which one it is. Or just wait until the movie comes out, which is so much easier."

"Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" opens May 22.

[Cartman]

Spielberg Dishes On Indy 4

Steven Spielberg recently invited a few members of the online press to stop by the Indy 4 set for a short interview. According to IESB.net (who was onhand): "This was an impromptu luncheon and was not something that was planned months in advance and it was something that Steven Spielberg himself decided to do for online press after last weeks IndyGate photo fiasco." The details are displayed as highlights at IESB.net, not a detailed transcript so I won't just re-type their notes here.

Although, I did find it interesting that Mr. Speilberg ultimately said no to shooting digitally per George Lucas' suggestions, who was only on set for about 9 days and did no second unit directing.

Intressant. Undrar om och hur det kommer spegla av sig på filmen.

Edited by Cartman, 11 October 2007 - 12:39.

[Cartman]

Ooooh, värt att kolla upp!!

Håller med dig. är kommer mera information.

TheForce.Net - The New Indiana Jones EU

Posted on October 29, 2007

Spielbergfilms.com just posted a list of a number of the Indiana Jones tie in books that are slated to come out next year. See below for the list and click here for more details on each release and more.

For the older readers:

Indiana Jones Omnibus Volume 1 (February 25)

The Adventures of Indiana Jones (February 26)

The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones (May 6)

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Novelization (May 20)

The Complete Making of Indiana Jones (May 20)


For the younger readers:

Indiana Jones: The Ultimate Guide (April 21)

Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark Junior Novelization (May 1)

Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom Junior Novelization (May 1)

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Junior Novelization (May 1)

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Junior Novelization (May 22)

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Movie Reader (June 2008)

[Cartman]

TheForce.Net - Indiana Jones Hits MySpace

Posted on November 3, 2007

Click here if you'd like to check out the new MySpace page for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

UPDATE: Also, don't forget that TheForce.net is on Myspace right here!

Source: The Starwars.com blogs

TheForce.Net - Indy 4 Wrap Video


Posted on November 1, 2007

Head on over to IndianaJones.com to check out a history of the Indiana Jones "wrap" shots as well as a glimpse of the principle photography wrap for Indy 4 from October 7th, 2007. (I loved Speilberg's "Blue Harvest" hat that he wore during The Temple of Doom shoot)

Click here.

TheForce.Net - Indy 4 Teaser Trailer Details

Posted on November 1, 2007

Friend of TFN, Ryan P., sent us the following Indy 4 teaser trailer transcript that was taken from TheRaider.net. It seems the post at the site has been taken down. I wonder what that means...



WARNING: READ BELOW AT YOUR OWN RISK! SPOILERS ARE ABOUND FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SEE THIS FOR THEMSELVES WHEN IT PREMIERS...




"This is a transcript for the teaser trailer for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull that is currently being rated. It will be released on 22nd November. I work at the classification board so I've seen it a few times and it looks awesome."







TRANSCRIPT:

Paramount logo.

Black screen.

We hear a low buzzing.

Shot of a mass of big jeeps crossing the desert.

Fade to black.

JIM BROADBENT: There are many secrets in this world...

Shot of a wooden box being loaded onto a loader.

Fade to black.

JIM BROADBENT: ...that man was not meant to discover!

Shot of the Ark being lifted out of its confines as military scientists watch in awe.

Fade to black.

A shot of the lid being lifted off the Ark.

Cut to black.

Cut to Indy and Jim in a university hallway.

JIM BROADBENT: There are others who seek the power of the Ark now!

Cut to black.

Shot of Indy leaving the university, looks like he's being watched.

Shot a woman in a white dress stepping from a vehicle.

CATE: Your services are required, Dr Jones.

Shot of Cate talking to Indy, she opens a box revealing a crystal skull.

INDIANA: I'm sorry, I cant help you!

Shot of Marion tied up in the back of a vehicle, kicking and screaming. The door opens and Indy reacts.

CATE: Your reward...is her life!

INDIANA: Marion!

Shot of a ship crossing the ocean.

Massive shot of Indy and Ray Winstone in a temple.

Shot of Shia fighting next to rotating blades.

Shot of a huge Mayan city.

Shot of Indy racing through catacombs.

Shot of Cate slapping Marion. Marion slaps her back.

Shot of Cate by the crystal skull alter, a fleet of soldiers behind her. We can just see the ark, she places a crystal skull down!

Shot of Jim Broadbent looking very worried.

Shot of A Mayan temple exploding with the power of the Ark

Shot of Indy and Shia swinging across a huge ravine as walls collapse around them. Shia slips at the edge; Indy grabs his Hand.

TITLES: INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL

Shot of Marion punching Indy.

INDY: I should have seen that coming!

2008



Sounds legit but who knows. We shall see soon enough!


Thanks Ryan!

Edited by Cartman, 05 November 2007 - 14:45.

[Corto Maltese]

Det verkar tyvärr dröja ett tag innan vi får se en teaser trailer.

[Crusader]

Jo, fast bättre det och få en bra trailer än att de skyndar ut en skräpteaser som med The Dark Knight.
National Treasure: Book of Secrets tror jag hade passat perfekt.

[Corto Maltese]

Du har helt rätt. Men visst är det trist att dom inte fick till en bra teaser till den filmen den var tänkte att visas innan på en gång istället för att göra en ny.

[Crusader]

Jo, det har du rätt i.

[Cartman]

Håller med Crusader. Jag väntar gärna lite extra för att få en ordentlig teaser och inte något mindre bra som teasern till TDK var.

Lite nya läckra bilder från filmen via AICN

Edited by Cartman, 28 November 2007 - 15:09.

[Cartman]

Jag lyfter ut det som rör Indy 4.

ComingSoon.Net - Frank Marshall on Indy 4

Source: Edward Douglas on December 6, 2007

Producer Frank Marshall has earned his reputation from working in the movie business for over 35 years, mostly working with Steven Spielberg on movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark and the Amblin films, but also having huge hits on his own with blockbusters like The Sixth Sense and more recently, the Jason Bourne trilogy.

He told us why Steven and Harrison Ford felt that now was the time to return to Indy. "It's kind of been out there in the air, but we never had the right script, and we kind of put it on the backburner and then back in 2000, we all went to the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award for Harrison. George and Harrison and Steven and I and Kathy were all backstage all dressed up and we were looking at clips from the movies and we thought, ‘God, those were really fun. Maybe we oughta really focus on trying to do another one." And that's what happened. David Koepp came up with a great script finally, and we're done shooting and now in the editing process. It's pretty amazing."

"What we've done is we moved it from the '40s to the ‘50s so we're acknowledging that everybody's 10 or 15 years older and it plays into the story," he told us when asked about how things would be different from the earlier movies. "We're not trying to hide that Harrison's older, but we have Shia LaBeouf coming in as his sidekick, so we've got a young element. The best way to describe the movie is that it's an Indiana Jones movie. It's got all the style and elements of the old movies, and we're not really trying to do anything different."

"You're going to see a teaser poster later this month," he said when asked when we might be seeing some more from the movie.

Since the topic of discussion was "four-quels", we had to ask Marshall about the other one on his slate, specifically Jurassic Park 4, which had been talked about in recent years with no solid news in a while. He thought that they were still shooting for it to come out in the summer of 2009, but that they were also waiting for the strike to end to further work on the script. "There's an idea and we just have to see if it shakes out."

EDIT:

Det verkar tyvärr dröja ett tag innan vi får se en teaser trailer.

Nu verkar det klart att det kommer en trailer i Februari.

First up, the first trailer for Steven Spielberg's Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is now planned for a debut in February. While we don't know for sure with which movie it will show, Paramount's biggest film that month is The Spiderwick Chronicles, so keep your eye on that one. Of course, it's possible Paramount will decide to debut footage earlier during the Super Bowl, but we're not sure.

Källa: ComingSoon.Net

Edited by Cartman, 07 December 2007 - 15:42.

[XC]

New 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' Poster - Cinematical
[img]http://imgred.com/tn/http://www.cinematical.com/media/2007/12/indy2.jpg[/img]

[Cartman]

Wow! Den var faktiskt grymt snygg måste jag säga.

[Kermit]

Klassiskt Indy!! Nördgasm...

[XC]

Satt du i tråden och väntade eller?

Håller med. Även om jag inte är något stort fan av Indiana Jones så har jag vett och uppskatta en snygg poster.